Dangerous shot with drag flick.avi
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January 26th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
@buddo21 No defender knows where the attacker is shooting therefore they make their best effort as well.That I can agree with but shooting ‘blind’ because there is no time to look is simply reckless play. A shooter is responsible for the consequences of his actions and only he can control them or even know in advance what they will be.
The deflection off the glove of the goalkeeper was added to the video inadvertently but I did not delete and start again I should have -difficult area.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I like that my posts have been ignored…I’m taking that as success for common sense (as that is the way I approached it.) As another point no attacker knows where a defender is going to run. They do not have the tine to wait and see. They decide where they are shooting an go there. No defender knows where the attacker is shooting therefore they make their best effort as well. If the ball misses everyone and goes in who has done anything wrong? If the ball is blocked down and played away it’s t
January 26th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
@poty81
The defender was defending the goal, how can that lead to an assumption that he was ‘looking’ to be hit.? Where else can a defender defend a shot at the goal but between the shooter and the goal? Positioning to defend between the shooter and the goal is not an offence.
The attacker has a responsibility not to endanger an opponent with his shot no matter where the defender is positioned and the goal is wide enough for an attacker to choose to shoot other than directly at a defender.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
@ZigZagHockey I agree the out-runner was endangered, but he was looking for it. I know it’s not in the rulebook any more, but earlier it wasn’t allowed to search for a foul, like a foot in the D.
On PC’s the defenders now what danger they are putting them self in by getting in the goal. It’s like a defender running into the goal to prevent a goal being scored, thereby he puts himself in danger, and he knows it, so it should be a PS if it hits him.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Pt 2. He is trying to minimise the available angle to shoot at. Therefore I would go so far as to suggest that he has been coached to run there (I know for a fact that this is coached. Minimising goal space is a massive thing at National Prem Level and I assume the same applies here.) He has undertaken that task and done it correctly however if this is called for danger it falls back to the whole point of not line up 5 men in the goal and encourage a shot which will be called as dangerous.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Part One of 2.
I’m missing completely how Pau Quamada’s was dangerous…the only way that got near the defender was after the keeper touches it. So your point is that Pau made the keeper touch it towards the defender and should therefore be penalised for it?
Also as far as I can see the HC Bra player makes a deliberate move towards the middle of the goal. He is not running directly at the flicker nor to any player who may be passed the ball.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 am
@poty81 Yes a goal was given, but I believe that the out-runner was endangered and took legitimate evasive action. It’s a subjective decision that never seems to be made in favour of the defender if the defender is more than 5m from the ball when it is raised, despite the definition of a dangerously played ball and this from page 1 of the Rulebook:-
Responsibility and Liability.
…Emphasis is placed on safety. Everyone involved in the game must act with consideration for the safety of others.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:06 am
Clearly a goal
January 27th, 2012 at 2:13 am
@liamDroberts You wrote “with the knowledge that any attempt on goal other than the act of deliberately striking the defender is declared a legal attempt on goal”
Where does this “knowledge” come from? Inadequate, but ‘legitimate evasive action’ and ‘playing with consideration for the safety of other players’ are still in the rulebook. It’s a pity both are subjective judgements and there are few objective criteria, because lack of control (by penalty) is encouraging reckless/dangerous play
January 27th, 2012 at 2:59 am
@ZigZagHockey Don’t get me wrong – I fully understand where you are coming from. However all these drag flicks on goal are after the amendments to the rule on ‘attempts on goal’ – i.e while the defender is allowed to stop a shot/flick on goal with is stick above his shoulder (as a block) when on or near the goal line, the defender is also placing himself there, with the knowledge that any attempt on goal other than the act of deliberately striking the defender is declared a legal attempt on goal
January 27th, 2012 at 3:49 am
@liamDroberts I look at it three or four times a week. Comparing the interpretation of the actions that accompanies the videos, is interesting between one video and the next on the same area with the Rules of Hockey. Interpretation should of course follow the Rules, not the other way about.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:11 am
@ZigZagHockey Pop on the FIH website sometime.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:29 am
@liamDroberts I have no idea who told you all that but it is utter nonsense and I believe you know it is.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:30 am
If a defender chooses to stay on or near the goal line, they are fair game. All the goals shown, were just that – goals. Saying that, a defensive play must not chase down a penalty corner directly down the line to goal either, which is why the first goal was given as he is choosing to put himself in the position he is.
It is also why I choose to play midfield and attack rather than defence! lol
January 27th, 2012 at 5:18 am
@AssembledTube No. That is the reason I posted it. I am wondering what umpires consider legitimate evasive action to be.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:32 am
Was it called for being dangerous